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Help them from outside Mastodon or not?
Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:28:10 +0200
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Jupiter Rowland
jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
Another discussion on Mastodon about how racism and harassment could be beaten; CW: long (over 1,000 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta, link to racism, link to harassment, quote-post
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Looks like a purely Mastodon solution for racism and harassment on Mastodon is being sought in this thread.
On the one hand, I think such threads need some more insight from outside Mastodon.
On the other hand, I think nobody in this thread really wants to know how things are outside Mastodon. Or, in fact, outside their own instance. They want solutions for Mastodon, for the instances they are on right now themselves. Without having to take the rest of the Fediverse into consideration.
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Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:10:38 +0200
Just to state the obvious:
Any moderation system like Mastodon’s that regularly lets through the kind of sewage that
@KimCrayton1
has been highlighting is a moderation system that is failing.
Failing.
Full stop.
https://dair-community.social/@KimCrayton1/112872020308883967
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Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:37:48 +0200
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_jayrope
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Jupiter Rowland
Obviously people didn't understand, that they are supposed to moderate their own (online) life. Numb.
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Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:46:11 +0200
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A Byrd
Byrdbrnz@ioc.exchange
Another discussion on Mastodon about how racism and harassment could be beaten; CW: long (over 1,000 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta, link to racism, link to harassment, quote-post
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@jupiter_rowland
Been debating about mentioning this but: thank you for consistently posting about options outside of Mastodon to Mastodon. While I agree that it doesn't seem like the people calling for changes to Masto are looking at other AP solutions that meet their safety needs, your posts have highlighted that I should be considering what service best fits mine. They're seemingly taking it seriously, I don't want to doubt that, but doubling down on the BadPlace project isn't going to be enough. So thank you, I will be looking for another home on the fediverse and letting this account become nothing but work promo!
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Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:04:29 +0200
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Jupiter Rowland
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_jayrope
That's because Mastodon users were generally promised paradise when they were still on the Birdsite. And they got used to being mollycoddled all around.
Give them tools of self-empowerment, and they won't use them and demand to be coddled some more. I mean, it isn't like Mastodon gives you no means of self-defence at all. But some people don't even seem to be able or willing to mute or block anyone. And I'm not convinced that they're all stuck with a mobile app that only offers the absolute bare basics.
And then there are those who came via Friendica to Hubzilla or (streams). Give them a dozen permission settings and a half, and they'll go to the code repository and ask for more.
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