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Fri, 31 May 2024 14:07:18 +0200

Mer__edith@mastodon.world

Signal strongly opposes the newest #ChatControl proposal in Europe.

Let there be no doubt: we will leave the EU market rather than undermine our privacy guarantees.

This proposal--if passed and enforced against us--would require us to make this choice.

It's surveillance wine in safety bottles.

See more: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/majority-for-chat-control-possible-users-who-refuse-scanning-to-be-prevented-from-sharing-photos-and-links/ @echo_pbreyer

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Fri, 31 May 2024 14:09:57 +0200

svitvojimilioni

svitvojimilioni@balkan.fedive.rs

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

How would you exactly leave EU market ? Ban all ips from eu?

Fri, 31 May 2024 14:17:37 +0200

khaleesi (Elina Eickstädt)

khaleesicodes@eupolicy.social

@Mer__edith
More detailed analysis by @edri can be found here

https://edri.org/our-work/be-scanned-or-get-banned/

Fri, 31 May 2024 14:25:24 +0200

Hiker Geek 🌲💻🌲

HikerGeek@mas.to

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

The people who do bad things will just find another way and then innocent users will be left with this.

This proposal is a clear message: The government's right to know is more important than your right to privacy.

Fri, 31 May 2024 14:58:58 +0200

davenicolette

davenicolette@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer "... the chats of employees of security authorities and the military are also to be exempted from chat control." Well, isn't *that* interesting.

Fri, 31 May 2024 14:59:16 +0200

dominic :verified_paw:

dma@hachyderm.io

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

"the chats of employees of security authorities and the military are also to be exempted from chat control" ..

this means clients would need to identify who those people are, which is yet another potential privacy and security nightmare.

does this actually make me glad the UK isn't in the EU any more so i get to continue using Signal?

Fri, 31 May 2024 15:08:29 +0200

kainisenni

kainisenni@vocalounge.cafe

@Mer__edith
I always wonder how one can be so incredibly dense to not understand that criminals don't care about making tools illegal. Do they imagine this to be their reasoning:
"Yeah I used to be a hitman. But now legal apps are scanning texts for indicators of murder. I'm not switching to illegal apps to communicate with my clients, that's a line I simply will not cross."

I'll have emigrated before this enters into force, but the precedent it could set scares me. This normalises CCP crap.

Fri, 31 May 2024 15:12:10 +0200

Pablojordi

Pablojordi@mastodont.cat

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer It seems like chat control proposal is the wrong approach regardless of the noble intention of protecting minors. I wonder if any of the Spanish candidates in the EU elections have taken a clear stance about this. Any idea, @albertcuesta ?

Fri, 31 May 2024 15:13:10 +0200

Angela Scholder

AngelaScholder@mastodon.energy

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer My Signal account is on my UK mobile number, but since Brexshit my mobile operator has screwed us in that we can not call without an EU bundle, and then the EU bundle isn't seen as a paid event. So, basically the only thing we can do is top-up within the 180 days.
We clearly need to switch mobile operator.
But, maybe my Signal account might remain unaffected.
Client side scanning would be the beginning of Chinese practices is the EU.

Fri, 31 May 2024 15:29:36 +0200

Katharta

katharta@quietzero.net

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer Keep fighting the good fight.

Fri, 31 May 2024 15:53:52 +0200

Nicolas Kayser-Bril

algowatching@social.nkb.fr

Fri, 31 May 2024 16:09:49 +0200

🌹 𝐫𝐮𝐳𝐚 ✅:catjam: (eng🇬🇧)

ruza@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer I am not too surprised that the EU is threatening its constituency. I hope you will not do the same. 💪👊

Fri, 31 May 2024 16:11:31 +0200

Cassandrich

dalias@hachyderm.io

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer I think you've clarified this before, but "leave the EU market" means "treat the EU as a hostile regime whose people we need to provide circumvention tools from outside the jurisdiction" rather than "leave EU users behind", right?

Fri, 31 May 2024 16:15:53 +0200 last edited: Fri, 31 May 2024 16:17:47 +0200

The Dodger ☕

thedodger@rollenspiel.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer
I use, support and really like Signal.
The motivation of signal in this case I do fully understand.

But I am concerned that the EU-Government will not care about the retreat of Signal or think about other negative consequences for all of the citizens in Europe.
I think that ALL messengers and other services need to follow Signal so that the impact is really huge.

Hopefully the planned regulation of chatcontrol might be stopped. There is still a chance.

Fri, 31 May 2024 16:28:38 +0200

Marcus

puzzled@coales.co

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer If/when the EU bans Signal, some years will pass and this will become normalized. Then gov't apparatchiks will suggest adding some "reasonable" classes of forbidden content...

Fri, 31 May 2024 16:30:01 +0200

Philip McGrath

LiberalArtist@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer This article said one proposal would prevent people who opted out of scanning from sharing links, which seems like a great illustration of the futility of this project (even aside from its harmfulness). If you can’t write “example.com”, you can surely write “example dot com”, let alone any fancier sort of encoding. Look at all the ways people get around Instagram’s lack of links!

Fri, 31 May 2024 17:11:04 +0200

feld

feld@bikeshed.party

@Mer__edith @signalapp @echo_pbreyer You're a free chat app why do you keep using the word "market" like you're a for-profit company? What goods and services are you selling to the European market?

Fri, 31 May 2024 17:24:21 +0200

TheJaySunday

thejaysunday@mamot.fr

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer what the actual fuck.

Fri, 31 May 2024 17:37:35 +0200

HyperSoop :spinny_cat_aroace: :spinny_fox_agender:

soop@wetdry.world

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer if this passes, it'd set a prescedent that this kind of shit is okay, leading to more and more democracy-threatening proposals like this coming up.

For a bloc that's one of the last bastions of democracy in the world, this getting as far as it has is incredibly disheartening. Sliding down the slippery slope into authoritarianism would hurt everyone within the EU and definitely wouldn't help The Children.

Please hold those in charge accountable while you still can.

Fri, 31 May 2024 18:08:19 +0200

X_BSD@mstdn.social

@Mer__edith
EU becoming China, Rusia and North Korea.
The privacy is dead!!!
@echo_pbreyer

Fri, 31 May 2024 18:13:24 +0200

Maybe(oz)

oz@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

Happy to read that, even if that's not really a new song from Signal. https://signal.org/blog/uk-online-safety-bill/

Fri, 31 May 2024 18:49:04 +0200

8tpercent

8tpercent@fosstodon.org

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer
Microsoft "recall" and messaging apps....

Fri, 31 May 2024 19:06:14 +0200

Erika

Erika@ruhr.social

@Mer__edith I really dislike the thought of not being able to use Signal any more.

@echo_pbreyer @don

Fri, 31 May 2024 19:09:05 +0200 last edited: Fri, 31 May 2024 19:09:51 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

@Meredith Whittaker -> @EDRi has a good read on this, too: https://edri.org/our-work/be-scanned-or-get-banned/

Fri, 31 May 2024 20:32:30 +0200

Glenn Seto

glennseto@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

Dear lord, where will I ever continue to receive updates for this internationally-developed open source application? 😱

(Regional app store blocks would still suck, but if officials think that anything short of a Great Firewall equivalent would accomplish what they're after ... yeah, not happening.)

Fri, 31 May 2024 20:32:34 +0200

Kokos 💠

lvl3k@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer As some politicians do use Signal, it will be interesting if they saw off a branch from under themselves.

Fri, 31 May 2024 20:32:54 +0200

Em :official_verified:

Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer ✊

💙

Fri, 31 May 2024 21:38:12 +0200

`Da Elf

elfin@mstdn.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

Can we do this to surveil you? Think of the children!

No.

Ok, how about this?

Um, no.

This?

Goddamnit! It's the same damn pig you just switched shades of lipstick!!!

Ok, how about this.

Oh FFS.

Fri, 31 May 2024 21:49:41 +0200

d0pp3l6ang3r :verified: :donor:

d0pp3l6ang3r@infosec.exchange

@Mer__edith this is why I love signal. Thank you for fighting the good fight 🫡

Fri, 31 May 2024 21:52:28 +0200

clay anderson 🇺🇦🇮🇱🔰🥑🌐🚲🗽☢️

cshentrup@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer or you could just make signal federated to get rid of this nonsense. Which I think is totally viable as long as the server protocol doesn't have to change.

Fri, 31 May 2024 23:04:17 +0200

Éamonn

eob@social.coop

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer EU citizens, a timely reminder that you will be able to vote for your member of Parliament in about a week

This problematic law is coming from the Council (the upper house of the EU legislative branch representing the member governments)

It can be stopped by either the Parliament (the lower house of the EU legislative branch, representing the people) or the Commission (the EU executive branch, over whose composition the Parliament has some influence)

MEPs have power

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 07:41:11 +0200

Alexandre Klein

TheyCallMeHacked@social.tchncs.de

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer as a European, I can support that choice, but I wish for Signal to reconsider being packaged on f-droid if that happens, so that truely privacy aware people can still circumvent the EU-directive

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 09:59:16 +0200

Grant

gsymon@mstdn.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer

What would your solution be for the child abuse issue?

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 10:28:41 +0200 last edited: Sat, 01 Jun 2024 10:34:35 +0200

Ondřej Michálek

om@witter.cz

I wonder what Element would do, @matthew.
Does this actually concern #Matrix directly or is this a threat primarily to the clients?

@matrix

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 10:38:15 +0200

queenbee4ever

queenbee4ever@mastodon.social

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer @Piratenpartij Ze blijven het maar proberen. Stem aankomende #EP2024 donderdag 6 juni voor #privacy vriendelijke partijen. Laten we er in de EU ajb geen surveillance staat van maken.
De boefjes gaan echt niet minder rottigheid uithalen. Die gaan gewoon het anders aanpakken. En ondertussen wordt iedereen gecontroleerd door? #pvv #vvd #bbb #nsc #cda #sgp …

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 13:55:58 +0200

cholling

cholling@social.sdf.org

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer When will your privacy guarantees include not tying Signal accounts to phone numbers and not scanning users' contacts?

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 14:17:01 +0200

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👀👀👀

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 14:28:57 +0200

Romuna

npub1xjtu3nk7m7zsxh4wj0apf3xlcl532xqfw2znte4748sxw3s2rlhqcuemqn@momostr.pink

Well this doesn't sound good at all. 🤨

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 14:35:03 +0200

fiatdenier

npub1cq47m26ft2xh8c33jtapvxstsdzgy86gg35prv0gzravvk6cfaysa9sukg@momostr.pink

Saving Europe during WW2 was a mistake

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 16:19:17 +0200

npub1ak68qfcjj7k95c0jwleu69x72nr8adwv6g80pkwl9xlps6zmkqzqrxy8fx@momostr.pink

That is the principled choice.

Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:30:33 +0200

sourcenode

npub1jfn4ghffz7uq7urllk6y4rle0yvz26800w4qfmn4dv0sr48rdz9qyzt047@momostr.pink

Thanks for joining nostr and for keeping it real 🤙

Sun, 02 Jun 2024 08:01:10 +0200 last edited: Sun, 02 Jun 2024 08:04:08 +0200

Laxystem (Masto/Glitch)

laxla@tech.lgbt

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer not only is this privacy invasive af, it prevents the #Fediverse from supporting any form of image upload in the EU - fedi servers are small and cannot support running any form of UEC including AI, and will never rely on centralized corporate or government services to do so.

Mon, 03 Jun 2024 16:34:22 +0200 last edited: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 16:35:02 +0200

Kevin Karhan :verified:

kkarhan@infosec.space

@Mer__edith @echo_pbreyer then why does @signalapp not follow through on it's actions and cease operations not only in #cyberfacist regimes like #Russia and #Iran but also relocate out.of range of #CloudAct and completely #decentralize to the point it's not possible to shutdown?

Why does #Signal still insist on collecting #PII like #PhoneNumbers which more often than not can't be acquired anonymously in an increasing amount of juristictions?

These questions remain unanswered, because Signal, like #ANØM and #CryptoAG before is a #Honeypot.

Otherwise it would've been shutdown and not include concessions that enforce U.S. hegemony and sanctions!

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/112552416499648566

#InconvenientTruth

anom

Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:21:36 +0200 last edited: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:22:41 +0200

Stefan

kranzkrone@quasselkopf.de

@Mer__edith
Signal will be blocked then by Force in the EU if they don't comply to their Law, you'll see how easy Apple and Google will bow to the Will of the EU in order to further make Money with their respective App stores.

#EU #Law #ChatControl #Surveillance #SurveillanceCapitalism #Signal
@echo_pbreyer @oliver