Strange NOT See Own Last O.P. via Own Hub and YES Logged-In

Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:04:11 +0200

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Need Hep wrote the following post Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:03:56 +0200

Strange NOT See Own Last O.P. via Own Hub and YES Logged-In

I made last O.P. via zotadel.net and may see also via zotadel.net and other machine or browser not logged in.  But cannot see from own Hub, stream, HQ, et cetera.

https://zotadel.net/item/d18aaae6-6f1d-4c3d-bbbf-1e22d182827b

https://zotadel.net/display/b64.aHR0cHM6Ly96b3RhZGVsLm5ldC9pdGVtLzRjMGNhNmNiLWE1ZWUtNDQ1Yi05NmQxLWY4YWIyZjI1MDhmMA

Noticed error but when go to edit, but also not even show for delete EVEN WHEN VISIT VIA zotadel.net and YES logged-in.  .

This post, make from own Hub viewing this forum for try see if bug still persist.
(Also notice emoji for "shrug" not on own Hub.  Use in recent comment and hope no cause bug.)

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Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:15:12 +0200

Need Hep

needhepplz@hub.hubzilla.de

This O.P.: no show of ⚙️ option to edit, yes ⚙️ option to delete, but not show at all on visit via own Hub (no filter set), only show when visit via zotadel.net and even show when no login on different machine.

Fri, 13 Oct 2023 00:00:30 +0200

Need Hep

needhepplz@hub.hubzilla.de

VERY STRANGE --- NOW show up via my own Hub! BEFORE, even browser with no login and no Guest Access Token from zotdel.net would yes see post, but no view from my own Hub. Now maybe fix, thanks for that!

Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:45:06 +0200

Need Hep

needhepplz@hub.hubzilla.de

NO! Unless some censorship or moderation, still problem exists, seem, between xotadel.net and Hub I use. Try some hours for new O.P. via own Hub and it not appear ANYWHERE, ONLY in own Hub under forum this one.

I click for Delivery Report and see:

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Maybe appear after some DAYS, I not know.
Title "Make Simple HTML Frame with Slider in Place From - Show All n Comments or Expand ".

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Fri, 13 Oct 2023 15:24:31 +0200

Need Hep

needhepplz@hub.hubzilla.de

Try again some minutes ago, ⚙️ → Delivery Report → ⚙️ → Redeliver:

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Fri, 13 Oct 2023 20:56:01 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

I don't understand, please use deepl.com to translate. Or write in German.

Sat, 14 Oct 2023 15:42:07 +0200

Need Hep

needhepplz@hub.hubzilla.de

Why you assume I German or make demand for I use German, @_jayrope? Why you insist for deepl when other persons on here also resist and I offer alternative? Why your Hub require recaptcha and connect with CDN and Google? Why you no understand simple explain with symbol even, for which EVERY POST on Hubzilla have " ⚙️ → Delivery Report → ⚙️ → Redeliver"?

Please, this for technical issue resolution, not cultural appropriation or demand of which language for using, nor impressium of where born, which mother tongue, where reside, and which Hub use by geolocation of citizenship. I thought Hubzilla have "Cloning & Nomadic Identity" which seem to allow freedom of movement digitally and no lock us in "Walled Garden" Centralized informations "silo" or behind some such like big censorship red GreatFireWall or for certain few of privileged, heavy censor type IntraNet-only as in North Korea.

If help, I take additional time from life and distraction from solve of issue this one to use favour and have friend write some informative:

Yes, my friend @Need Hep is correct in the assessment that there seems to be some sort of communication issue between the Hub that @Need Hep is currently using, hub.hubzilla.de and the one hosted on zotadel.net whereas @Need Hep has also provided copy from the same type Delivery Report which seems to be on all typical Hubzilla posts.

Furthermore, remember that there are SEVERAL major dialects of English e.g. U.K., U.S.A., A.U., N.Z., et cetera, and regionalisms additionally. It might not have been your intention, but kindly rerrain from fascisistic prescriptivism and ergo please do not stress or mock @Need Hep henceforth if you require clarification due to lack of understand of @Need Hep's expression and use of the English language, as English is used diversely or in descriptivist fashion as a cross-cultural globally common Pidgin:

TheFreeDictionary.com - Pidgin: A simplified form of speech that is usually a mixture of two or more languages, has a rudimentary grammar and vocabulary, is used for communication between groups speaking different languages, and is not spoken as a first or native language. Also called contact language.

Sat, 14 Oct 2023 16:43:56 +0200

Need Hep

needhepplz@hub.hubzilla.de

Again I try for Redeliver, but stop all other thing in life to use favour and have friend explain:

Yes, my friend @Need Hep is indeed having an issue with a post made via hub.hubzilla.de not appearing on your forum @Hubzilla Support Forum and has provided copy from the same type Delivery Report which seems to be on all typical Hubzilla posts via the gear symbol and @Need Hep has summarized the steps thusly "⚙️ → Delivery Report → ⚙️ → Redeliver".

It would be a pity of I need to keep interviewing or being an intermediary for @Need Hep over language issues, and the original questions go unanswered due to connectivity issues. Perhaps in lieu of @Hubzilla Support Forum, Matrix should be tried: Public Rooms - Search Results for Hubzilla - Matrix Static 🔗https://view.matrix.org/?query=Hubzilla

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Sun, 15 Oct 2023 10:39:30 +0200

_jayrope

jrp@hub.kliklak.net

@Need Hep Hey, calm down. I simply find it hard to understand you and was proposing a way, that might work better. You can take it or leave it. And i agree to your nameless friend: English is in fact a kind of Pidgin used in worldwide communication. That doesn't mean it works ;)

Apart from that zotadel has certain limitations, as you pointed out. There isn't much you can do about it, it's admin's decision to run the forum as they do - and on any Hubzilla server it is admin's decision to run it the way they want. If somebody decides on not connecting to the server you are on or to you directly, then it just is like that.
I found connection logs frustrating in that regard, and only helpful, when trying to find out, why a certain post or message of mine didn't reach an actual friend.

Btw i am of course running my own hub like i want, i am the only customer ;) I am not aware of back connections to Google or a CDN, though. If you see this again I'd be happy about a screenshot. Thank you.

Mon, 16 Oct 2023 03:53:44 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@loves.tech

There are several reasons why a post may never be delivered;

Their website is down.
Their website no longer exists.
There is a configuration error or other problem on their website.
They are not accepting your posts, often because they are not following you back.
They already received a copy of your post and won't accept a duplicate of it.

So you won't always get a 100% delivery rate.

Mon, 16 Oct 2023 03:58:32 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@loves.tech

Also, many of those are forums. Are you a member of those forums (i.e. connected). If you are not a member of those forums, they won't accept your posts, no matter how many times you try to redeliver it.

And did you try to post to all of the forums using the same post? If so, your post probably got blocked because your posted the same thing multiple places. There is a blocking mechanism in place to prevent someone from spamming multiple forums with the same post.

Mon, 16 Oct 2023 04:06:37 +0200

Scott M. Stolz

scott@loves.tech

You have to remember that people are members of multiple forums.

I am a member of all of those. So if you post the same post to all of those forums, I see the same post multiple times. It is annoying to receive multiple copies of the same exact post.

If you tried that on my forums, you'd get banned for spamming. So, only post to the most relevant forum. If you don't get an answer there after a week or so, try a different one. But don't post the same post to multiple forums.

Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:33:19 +0100

Scott M. Stolz

scott@loves.tech

I was looking through the docs and discovered that Hubzilla will only deliver your post to the first two forums you mention, and will not send the others. This is done to prevent spamming multiple forums.